Even at very low listening levels, it was clear that the MSB was delivering a clean analogue output to the ampand Im aware that sounds a bit vague. Now, this is an important and quite a cool lesson in what is going on with the two PSUs. and build quality is also excellent. What didn't you like about the Dave? Others might disagree but these are my findings. Any specific reason you wanna replace the Dave? Would love to hear your opinions of which was better and why? Search: Msb Discrete Dac Vs Chord Dave. I agree price is necessarily indicative of quality or performance. It is a manual step which I forgot. The Discrete DAC, The Premier DAC, The Reference DAC, The Select DAC II, Theater Master. I have personally not observed this - with either the DAVE or my Mojo. Watts is avidly not reading this in anticipation of the video version he won't watch. It could sound analytical or hot coupled with bright combination of speaker and amplifier. I wanted to know for anyone who has heard it have you also heard a DAC that approached it in sonic performance? I believe it comes down to Anyway, the MSB Discrete is a machine that I consider to be highly resolving and a true HiFi product with regard to the definition I quoted above. You might want to consideradding oneof Chord's Upscalers, either HugoM scaler, or the Blu Mk. The remainder I can see that in an A/B comparison, many other DACs sound more impressive than DAVE/Blu2. I auditioned a DAVE (not deconstructed) and TT2 and found all Chord products lacked the musicality of MSB. In my assessment the Makua offered a more open and spacious sound. Stuart Smith finds out. The end users ears are the only ears that count. And if I had to guess (given I haven't heard both), I'd guess it outperforms the Tambaqui. When we set out to make the MSB remote, the design was built from the ground up. For the most part, I listened to the MSB through our LAB12 and Krell KST100 amps and TotalDAC D100 speakers. @ricred1, youre right to point that out. Much appreciated. what Im saying is that comparing dacs also must take into account of all the interface advantages of each particular dac. They both use FPGA for their decoding. I hope you understand. Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by mtoc, Jun 9, 2016. Analogue Volume Control 1dB from 0 to 106 Deactivable by menu, Dimensions ChassisWidth : 432 mmDepth: 305 mmHeight without feet: 51 mm. I submit dealers use the statement "component X competes against much more expensive components" far too often. Equipped with high-visibility and a wide viewing angle, the display is both easy-to-read and stunning, exhibiting our love for intuitive features. Im outputting directly to the LAB12 (and later a Krell KST100) power amp and so a digital volume algorithm is used where the digital volume control is left at a relatively high output so as not to encounter loss at lower volume levels. The only true way for the end user to know what they prefer is through listening in their own system. http://www.computeraudiophile.com/members/mikejazz/, funded this campain: http://igg.me/at/geekpulseaudio/x/5216671. Looking forward to the your additions to the list. The lo-res display also makes menu ]set-up fiddly because it doesn't have enough space to display words. the Select II pushes the analog to be its best. You already have a very top tier DAC. Chord Dave DAC "Sealed Box Brand New" Never Opened !! CHORD Dave could be the most expensive deeply design DAC in the world and if you find it not your taste there is the best off the shelf DACs like akm4499 in Topping D90 for 699$ that could be even better than Dave. Ps Audio Directstream Dac Vs Auralic Vega Founded in 2004, Games for Change is a 501(c)3 nonprofit that empowers game creators and social innovators to drive real-world impact through games and immersive media Here is the list : Trinity Designs [Trinity DAC] TotalDAC [d1-Six] Aqua Acoustic Quality [Formula xHD] MSB Technology [Select DAC II Full Option . Whether its a software update or a leading-edge modular component, were here to help the most valued aspect of MSBour customers. Do diamonds shine on the dark side of the moon? Can't beat the form factor of it though, great for off a desk top. It will kick your ass. I'm looking for suggestions between $10K - $12K. Mind you, I have chipless DSD with 1 bit processing, so the bar is set VERY high for me. @astewart8944--two years ago in Feb of 17 i did audition the original Formula dac in my system directly compared to the Lampizator GG 1.5 and the Nagra HD and preferred the Formula for its greater space, lower noise, and more neutral and fast presentation. And I've learned to be careful and not generalize how a component will sound based on show conditions or other systems. The reasoning behind the two clocks dealing with different frequency families is that music is mostly recorded within multiples of the 44.1kHz family or the 48kHz family and having a clock dealing with each family minimises loss. I think people buy what they like. Our products include our in-house designed viton feet, but any audiophile M6X1 foot can be installed to personalize your system. 2 are upscalers , not upsamplers. He liked the Mola Mola Tambaqui over these others listed below. In my assessment the Makua offered a more open and spacious sound. Search: Msb Discrete Dac Vs Chord Dave. Many of these were already in a shootout on Audiogon with the same requirements - has to sound stellar on 16/44.1 tracks: I agree that the DAVE plus Blu 2 is spectacular, but not in a "hi fi" sense. Stuart Smith finds out. The more observant of you will have read this and noticed that there is no mains inlet. Hope to try different formats on both DACs to see what works best in my system. Mola Mola is another well built great sounding Bespoke Audio Ultimate Silver TVC passive preamp, Totaldac xlr version D1-Drivers x2, Eisteddfod 340 & 840 amps, Magico S5 speaker, MSB Select DAC, MSB Select Transport, Nakamichi 700 XLE cassette deck, Taiko Audio Extreme Server, Tripoint Troy Signature NG groundbox, PLiXiR Elite 1500 isolation transformers. My friend who owns the Diamond DAC IV prefers the MSB. us, over a 2 day test period come to the exact same conclusion. When you get the chance to hear Chord DAVE, try playing files bit perfect instead of upsampling them to DSD256 with HQPlayer. By Daedalus Audio Apollo 11's. REL S3/SHO. digital 149728-117859 MSB select II vs all dacs ? MSBs top-level DAC is 121K and there are other brands out there offering very expensive options, but the truth is that the vast majority of people will never feel the need to spend that kind of money (even if they could) to eek out that last-minute bit of detail. so these are less preferred. The modular nature of MSB products allows you to have the bits you want and leave out those you dont, The display is a bit basic but it does what it needs to and you can see it from the other side of the room, Detail and transparency are the main features, Allows a real insight into the makeup of a track, Brings a sense of timing being bang on the money, Detail isnt a result of the higher frequencies being artificially pushed, Both PSUs are not absolutely necessary but once you remove one you want to put the other back in. It's pretty funny how everyone gives their personal pet recommendation with the utmost confidence that the buyer will like it. This is because one PSU is supplying juice to modules including the screen and USB input etc but not to the output module. Also; recently MSB introduced a new interface that optimizes USB and adds fibre to reduce noise, the MSB Pro USB. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile. MSB are an American brand headed up by the brothers Jonathan and Daniel Gullman and located in Silicon Valley, California where they design and build a range of amplifiers, transports, and DACs. Astrostar here, said it completely blew away any dac he had before, and mind you, he has the entry level AC model. I don't like Dave with or without upsampler but I do like Auralic G2 with their upsampler and clock. Can I ask how you procured all those DACs? 2. Let us do the work of refurbishing and finding your current electronics a new hometheyll continue to be enjoyed for years to come. Thanks. $16K Signature DAC sound? Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet >Antipodes K30> Shunyata Omega USB> Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120, Amp& Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 >Aerial 10T, Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra,ShunyataDenali v1 andTyphon power conditioners,Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma power cords, QSA Lanedri GammaRevelationinterconnect,Shunyata SigmaEthernet,MIT Matrix HD60speaker cables, ASC isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels. I've had many world class DACS in my studio over the years and the Crane Song is as good as any no matter the cost. I'm not an absolutist, and frankly, I could be happy with any of the DACs I mentioned. Superior conversion begins with clean and stable low-noise power. The MSB Renderer was developed using an in-house hardware design running an ultra low noise A5 processor for optimal audio playback performance. Tailored for both the transport and the DACs daily use, our remote brings you closer to the music you love. Supported Formats (Depending on Input) 44.1 kHz to 3.072kHz PCM up to 32 bits 1xDSD, 2xDSD, 4xDSD, 8xDSD Accepts DSD via DoP on all inputs, Digital Inputs 1x RCA Coaxial 1x XLR 1x Word-Sync Out 2x Toslink 2x Isolated slots for optional modules, XLR Outputs Voltage: 3.57 Vrms Maximum Impedance 300 High Gain setting Impedance 150 Low Gain setting. I dont know as that was years ago and I dont have one here to test against. The formats that is used in comparison test is all 16bit / 44.1KHz, not DSD The Result : 1st : Select DAC II Full Option - 100% 2nd : Trinity DAC - 90% MSB Technology's Discrete DAC was the best DAC I'd heard in my systemuntil the MSB Premier showed up. And this level of detail the MSB Discrete brings to the listening experience was carried through everything I listened toand I listened to this DAC a lot, with it being the only thing I used to for a solid two weeks. Unless they have the exact same components as the end user, it's impossible to tell that customer how component X will sound in their system. To cut a long story short: A burnt in MSB Analog DAC with Power Base demoed side to side to a burnt in DAVE was no challenge for the MSB. The Prime DAC Module. With a better matched preamp presence may be acceptable. Just go for an internal Asus card to fit in a PCI slot you should be able to get bit perfect optical output thanks for confirming suitability of current setup. Like the Lab12. . This is purely speculation based on browsing the internet over the years and internalising pro/con reviews from users. I cant help with comparisons of two of these DACs, but I did hear the Tambaqui up against the dCS Bartok and it was a pretty close call, but ultimately the dCS sounded more analogue and more immersive.However, this was at a time when both units were a similar price. I found it big bold brash and dynamic but hard cold glary and fatiguing - all the old fashioned things I hated about early digital. Chord Dave vs Mola Mola Makua/Tambaqui vs Emm Labs Dac2x vs Rockna Wavedream IGNORED Chord Dave vs Mola Mola Makua/Tambaqui vs Emm Labs Dac2x vs Rockna Wavedream .
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